From TYT, The Young Turks via YouTube:
Wow.
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Conservapedia: The Right Hates Science
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In general I’m not a fan of the rabid yellow journalism that TYT represents, but this particular snippet was exceptionally hard to watch.
I don’t doubt that some crackpot, politician or not, claims that the bible trumps reality under observation, and also happens to be conservative. Nor do I doubt that this sort of thing would set off the semi-coherant ranters at TYT. However, the least they could do was check their own facts and stop repeating that E=MC2 is the theory of relativity. They are inter-related, but not the same thing.
Stupidity lives on both sides of the political isle. For instance it wasn’t too long ago that Rep. Hank Johnson was concerned that Guam might capsize if we were to put too many troops on it, Rosie O’Donnell assured us that fire cannot melt steel and who could forget that George Bush used a Weather Machine to cause Hurricane Katrina and the California Wildfires?
It’s not that conservatives hate science, but that politicians hate reality. It just refuses bend to their will and shift it’s facts to fit their needs.
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“It’s not that conservatives hate science, but that politicians hate reality.”
I agree that politicians hate reality. Totally agree on that point. Where I disagree is the statement that conservatives hate science. And since I don’t want to make a statement without showing evidential support, I submit the following:
Counterexamples to Evolution
Or
Counterexamples to an Old Earth
Now, you know I’m not a scientist, but even I know that their “counterexamples” are a load of horseshit. The fact that they tout it as “truth” and lie and mislead the public is what I am concerned about.
If you want to believe that the earth is only 6,000 years old, and we lived with dinosaurs, fine. But don’t try to push your lies onto the next generation as your own “truth.”
Their entire argument boils down to “God did it, and you should be satisfied with that.” That very argument neuters any inherent sense of curiosity in a child.
And that’s the real danger of sites like Conservapedia.
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You are talking about the Conservative lunatic fringe as if it was the core of the group. Using the most extreme example of something is a fallacy. They are politicians, for most of them their whole point in saying anything at all is a ploy to garner attention. So sometimes they say reasonable, thought provoking things. Sometimes they do the verbal equivalant of stripping down naked and painting racial slogans on their bare cheeks to go streaking through the center of Harlem.
This is not a phenomenom unique to conservatives. Liberals simply choose other topics to be crazy about.
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“You are talking about the Conservative lunatic fringe as if it was the core of the group.”
The question stands, though, if they are the “fringe,” where is the core Conservatives who stand for something more than ignorance and bigotry? Where are the intelligent Conservatives and why can’t they control their collective message?
“Using the most extreme example of something is a fallacy.”
Definition of “fallacy” (via Wikipedia): In logic and rhetoric, a fallacy is incorrect reasoning in argumentation resulting in a misconception.
Show me where I incorrectly reasoned that the creators of Conservapedia are putting out false information about science and the origin of earth and evolution. There is no misconception, on my part, of the purpose of Conservapedia, or what its ultimate political and social thrust is.
“They are politicians, for most of them their whole point in saying anything at all is a ploy to garner attention. So sometimes they say reasonable, thought provoking things. Sometimes they do the verbal equivalant of stripping down naked and painting racial slogans on their bare cheeks to go streaking through the center of Harlem.”
Yes. My point exactly. Which is why I posted the video. I want to give them that attention. I want to spread the word to everyone (or as many people as my little slice of the Internet can reach) that there is a group of people out there who are going to lie to their children and set them up for failure by devaluing scientific methodology and turning the next generation into short-sighted, uneducated, sheeple fit only for mind-killing drudge-work with no chance of ever attaining anything resembling a fulfilling life.
In short, Storydad, the more people who know about this and other sites like it, the more they can avoid them.
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Sorry I’m late to the party, but I’ve been on a mental vacation for the last week.
All I can say in response to this is…. Wow. Just… wow.
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No worries, Skatha. Jump in anytime.
Are you saying “wow” to the conversation or to the video?
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